conversation about a big issue. gwen: they forced a big conversation. >> at some point you have to say to yourself -- i'm saying, any party, what are our goals, what did we achieve and how do we consolidate them. >> the republicans should feel really good right now because the bill that boehner put through was improved in a way to collect even more conservative votes and so it's much more -- gwen: you're saying the democratic base should be more unhappy if they're paying attention to what's on the table now. >> exactly and i think the democratic base won't be happy no matter how this turns out but i think it's entirely possible that over the next 48 or 72 hours that the republican base will become really frustrated and angry because what -- there was one long-time, congressman tom cole, been around washington for a long time, he said this week, there's a lot of learning going on in our caucus and they're learning they don't own the senate and they can't push pure snow what their proposal is and it was his estimation